What exactly is a neo-vagina, then?

I was recently contacted by an NHS doctor who is concerned about gender ideology and its capture of his profession. Let’s call him Dr J. Following retirement from full time work, Dr J is currently working in A&E as a locum senior registrar. He trained as a surgeon and is a fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons in Edinburgh.

Dr J has an issue with genital surgery, which he believes is being mis-sold to vulnerable people as a solution to their mental distress. He thinks the term neo-vagina is “deceptive” and doctors would be better off describing a neo-vagina as a “deep surgical wound lined with skin” so that patients have a better idea of what they’re getting.

To further aid public understanding of what a neo-vagina is and isn’t, Dr J sent me a table he has created.

Normal Female VaginaDeep Surgical Wound Lined With Skin
Highly distensible fibromuscular elastic tube.Non-distensible surgical wound in the perineum (bottom) that tends to contract as healing takes place.
Inner lining is NON-KERATINISED stratified squamous epithelium.KERATINISED stratified squamous epithelium (SKIN)
Inner lining designed for moist surface.Inner lining designed for dry surface (prone to macerate when exposed to prolonged moisture)
Has a Lamina Propria layer below the surface epithelium. This lamina propria layer is highly vascular and filled with elastic fibers. This elasticity provides the vagina with the capacity to distend enormously during intercourse as well during child birth.No Lamina Propria and no elasticity.
Lamina Propria is rich with blood capillaries leading to water exiting these capillaries and keeping the vaginal lining moist naturally.No Lamina Propria layer to provide moisture.
Inner Lining has no glands and has no keratin.Inner Lining has sweat glands, apocrine glands, sebaceous glands, hair follicles and a surface lining of keratinisation. These secretions tend to accumulate leading to maceration and infection as there is no natural mechanism to clean the cavity.
Not prone for maceration as the lining is designed to be moist from natural human secretions in vagina and cervix.Prone for maceration as surface sweat glands, apocrine and sebaceous glands pour out their secretions as well as the transudates that arise from wound. These collections can lead to local abscess formations and sepsis deep inside wound along with bad odour on the person.
Lining cells are loaded with glycogen which provide the much-needed glycogen inside vaginal lumen.There is no glycogen in the wound as there is no lining that can provide glycogen.
Lactobacillus which is a commensal bacterium in vagina ferments glycogen to lactic acid and maintains acidic pH around 3.5. This pH prevents growth of pathogenic bacteria and fungus in a normal female vagina.There is no such mechanism available in the wound leading to growth of harmful bacteria and fungus deep inside the cavity. This can lead to sepsis and premature death.
Normal vagina has a vaginal part of Cervix protruding it from its vault. This cervix pours out copious secretions from cervical glands and mucosal cells to cleanse the vagina as well as to provide sufficient lubrication for penis during penetration.There is no Cervix to provide cervical mucus secretions for lubrication and maintenance of physiology.
Normal vagina has a circular and longitudinal muscular layer with contractility as a normal physiological function. This provides for the sensations during intercourse as well during child birth.There is no muscular layer.
Normal vagina has an adventitial layer around the muscle layer. This layer has dense connective tissue with extensive vascular supply and elastic tissue.No adventitial layer – this is a deep surgical wound lined by skin with no surrounding layers.
Normal female vagina has bulbs of vestibule on each side of vaginal orifice. These are oval masses of erectile tissue on each side of the vaginal orifice.Such bulbs of vestibule are non-existent.
Two Bartholin’s glands (greater vestibular glands) are present at the vaginal introitus which secretes copious secretions that help in entry of penis at the start of intercourse.There are no Bartholin’s glands.
Bulbospongiosus muscle surrounds the vaginal opening that helps it keeps closed as well as assisting in erection of clitoris during sexual activity.There is no bulbospongiosus muscle.
Normal female vagina is richly supplied with nerves from the vaginal plexus of nerves. These plexuses are rich in autonomic nerves which supply vaginal walls and contribute to the tumescence of the vaginal vestibule and clitoris during sexual excitation.
These vaginal plexus are supplied by both sympathetics and parasympathetics.
No vaginal plexus of nerves as this is a man-made surgical wound lined by a flap of skin.

And that’s if it goes well. Dr J lists the potential complications:

Post-op infections and sepsis, necrotising fasciitis, pulmonary embolism, inadvertent bowel and bladder injury, urinary strictures, neovaginal stricture requiring often painful dilatations (life-long), numbness in perineum, fungal and pyogenic infections in neovagina, failure of reproduction/sterility, unpredictable effects on the prostatic tissue, urethral and recto-neovaginal fistulae (this complication can leave the individual with uncontrolled leakage of faeces and/or urine between the legs all the time which can lead to untimely death due to gram negative endotoxic shock).

Dr J argues that operating on perfectly healthy bodies to even potentially cause these harms has “no justification”.

During our correspondence, Dr J sent me a smiley NHS leaflet about undergoing vaginoplasty (dated 2021). It tells those thinking of getting the chop that the vaginoplasty operation will lead to the “creation of a vagina”.

NHS leaflet

The leaflet warns that the process “can” cause permanent infertility. Having one’s bollocks removed (orchidectomy) as part of the vaginoplasty process certainly causes sterility. Later on in the leaflet (uploaded below), potential recipients are told that the “creation of a vagina” is actually the “creation of a vaginal cavity/neovagina” of between 4.5″ and 6″ (on average) in length. If there is not enough male genital tissue to line the cavity “an operation using a segment of bowel may be suggested”.

I asked a retired consultant I know to review Dr J’s table and this blog post. He didn’t take issue with any of it, but on the matter of using a segment of bowel for a vaginoplasty he added that this option “is self-lubricating, does not require self-dilatation and can be constructed to any length, unlike the situation using skin of the penis.” Which is interesting. The operation to remove the section of healthy bowel obviously comes with its own risks.

The NHS leaflet you can download below provides more detail about the vaginoplasty process, including the fact that once the operation has been completed, the neo-vagina will need to be dilated for up to 45 minutes three times a day for at least 18 months. The frequency of required dilation will decrease thereafter.

The NHS document also notes common complications from the surgery, some of which reflect Dr J’s list above:

Pain, blood clots, infection, sutures rupturing, urinary tract infections (UTIs), urinary retention (unable to pass urine), scarring, loss of sensation, loss of sexual function, dissatisfaction with visual appearance of the vagina, clitoris and/or labia, inability to orgasm, urinary incontinence (unable to control the need to urinate), necrosis to skin or clitoris (tissue dying resulting in blackening of the skin or Clitoris), vaginal prolapse, fistula: (an unwanted connection between the vagina and urethra or bowel), urethral stenosis: (narrowing of the urethra, making it difficult to urinate).

Dr J is calling for a ban on vaginoplasty surgeries until they have been properly scrutinised and ratified. He has written with his concerns to the Healthcare Inspectorate in Wales, the General Medical Council, the Royal Colleges of Surgeons in London and Edinburgh, the Royal College of Physicians and the General Medical Council.

The GMC told him: “It’s not in our remit to give clinical advice or comment on clinical matters, for example on the safety or appropriateness of specific treatments. This is the role of a wide range of other organisations, such as National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE), government health departments and the medical royal colleges.”

The Royal College of Physicians told him it “does not hold, or presently intend to issue, a stated position on this topic.”

The Healthcare Inspectorate Wales told him: “The matters raised fall outside of the remit of HIW and therefore this information will be discussed with Welsh Government, Chief Nursing Officer and Chief Medical Officer. I would recommend that you raise your concerns directly with the Department of Health and Social Services.”

The Royal College of Surgeons Edinburgh (RCSEd) told Dr J: “Whilst your views as a RCSEd member have been noted, the issues you raise are outside of the College’s purview”.

Dr J says: “So far none of the professional bodies I have contacted have given total approval for these [so-called gender-affirming] procedures. Yet the government appears intent on providing these treatments without the complete approval of the relevant professional bodies.”

Coming soon – “So what exactly is a neophallus, then?”


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22 responses to “What exactly is a neo-vagina, then?”

  1. This is horrifying. You’d think the Royal Colleges & the other bodies would have a view in it, whether within their ‘purview’ or not….

    Dr J might consider writing to the medical journals about it, in the form of a letter or an opinion piece.

    (Nick – there’s an editing error in your blog. The paragraph ‘interestingly, the doctor who reviewed Dr J’s table for me …..’ is misplaced, I think. I can’t make sense of what it refers to, anyway).

    1. Nick Wallis avatar

      Thank you, Heather. I’ve hopefully made it easier to understand.

  2. This is horrific. It is beyond belief that professional bodies are distancing themselves from this and the government is compliant. The T lobby has been successful in capturing so many organisations and then threatening and abusing those who dare to challenge, that it takes a brave person to do this.
    The full horror is when young, possibly autistic men are so beguiled by this that they cannot see the truth.
    Huge respect to you and Dr J for putting the truth about this in the public arena.

  3. Caralyn Longhurst avatar
    Caralyn Longhurst

    How is it possible that a procedure such as this is not regarded with the same abhorrence as FGM? Is it because it falls within the sphere of western, superiority and rationale? Imagine the furore were we to read that this was a practice carried out under Sharia law.

    It is not good enough to say that this is acceptable because recipients ‘consent’ to it. The same argument is applied to FGM and could be applied to any number of self-harming activities, but that does not make them a good idea, (https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/self-harm/about-self-harm). Nor do institutions publish smiley leaflets suggesting some sort of licence to other forms of self-mutilation.

    It also begs the question, why would a boy/man consent to do this to himself? Clearly, this pretend vagina is incapable of bringing him any physical sensation of sexual pleasure. So is it an ironic throwback to the pre feminist days when the male dominated world of science and medicine could see no purpose of female genitalia beyond reproduction and as a receptacle convenient for the pleasuring of a man? Is it some sort of point-proving bravado? A bid for peer approval, which will be transient and fleetingly inconsequential.

    In an unkind world, this is a shockingly unkind option.

    It breaks my heart to think that this barbarism is a branch of the poor, bloody, beleaguered NHS.

  4. Chris Padley avatar
    Chris Padley

    It would be useful to us laypeople reading if someone who knows could write a brief summary of what legal and professional controls there are over surgical procedures in the UK, and which bodies are responsible for giving approval and regulation.

    1. Nick Wallis avatar

      It would be useful for me, too. I will see if I can either get a link to a clear explanation or get someone to write one up here or write it myself. Thank you!

    2. Hello Chris

      I thought this was interesting. Presumably there is both civil and criminal law that might apply.

      Lots of things doctors do would be crimes such as ABH if not protected by law. I found a 2024 article in Modern Law Review journal which explains ‘The Scope of the Medical Exception in Criminal Law’. It seems that the existence of the exception is clear, but its scope is not so clear. I think her discussion focuses on properly trained and registered physicians.

      Author Lisa Forsberg states, ‘Gender-affirming surgery, for example, involves the removal of healthy body parts, which perhaps does not benefit individuals in purely physiological terms, but is clearly lawful.’ The case she cites is called Corbett V Corbett. I didn’t read it, though.

      Those of us looking for clear answers to questions about who decides what surgeons should legally be doing and why in this area will be disappointed to read that Forsberg suggests that current law’s underlying rationale is not wholly clear or consistent.

      One idea might be that an action that affects a healthy body is lawful if properly qualified doctors think it’s beneficial in some way. But when considering gender affirming surgery, views on what is beneficial appear to differ.

      Forsberg’s is an open access article to be located at
      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-2230.12921?msockid=12d5e6b6a56b692508c3ebada16b6aa5

      One body setting out standards in this area is WPATH. Their most recent set of standards of care (SOC8P) may be located here: https://wpath.org/publications/soc8/.

      But just in case you thought that this publication settled it, here is the Cass Report.

      https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

      Comparing these two documents demonstrate that doesn’t seem to be a consensus among the various experts in this field. It’s all very difficult, and not likely to help provide troubled young people and adults achieve comfort.

  5. I just want to say to any young gender questioning /trans people reading this – the people worried about this issue are *not* transphobic bigots who hate you. Please don’t listen to anyone who tells you that. We’re really really worried about you, care about vulnerable people and want you to have a lovely life. Break out of gender stereotypes, be your wonderful self, but please believe your biological body is perfect just the way it is.

  6. The other side effect not mentioned is that if a section of the colon is used instead of inverted penile tissue, the wound will smell permanently of faeces.

    1. Real trans ally avatar
      Real trans ally

      Unfortunately what Rita says about the smell of faeces is true, a d people are certainly not warned about that. It’s just sold as ‘self lubricating’. The smell isn’t overpowering but when you get intimate it is definitely there and quite revolting if you get your head down which leads to some sub-optimal situations….
      This op is, in my experience of the community anyway, often the second option after the first neo vagina doesn’t live up to expectations or even completely fails. Plan B. Some might have had more neo-vaginal revision attempts before this, usually to try and increase depth. Having a section of your gut removed is also major surgery, and to have 2 major procedures at the same time carries exponential risks. It is nice that the medics are so supportive kind and encouraging but quite honestly, it is better to tell it straight. There’s no way back. Trans people are harmed by this surgery, and can’t talk about it. Advertising that you are a casualty does not help your datability, and also it’s just not the done thing in this community.

  7. Tanya Hutchinson avatar
    Tanya Hutchinson

    One question that occurs to me is: who is training these teams of surgeons, anaesthetists and nurses to perform these horrific mutilations? They must have been referred by their superiors before being sent on training courses and being judged capable/competent. So, the operation itself must be judged safe and legitimate. The teaching hospitals must be involved. Also, what are the official procedures and protocols for monitoring outcomes of surgery: from what one reads generally, not least this post, it is difficult, or impossible, to imagine that even one “neo-vagina” operation could ever be judged a success. It’s also difficult to understand how the idea of “neo-vaginal” surgery ever got beyond the idea stage. And didn’t any surgeons put forward for training say “hold on – you can’t use the thick skin on the ball of this boy’s foot to make him a new tongue: it’s the wrong tissue, it’s inflexible, it has no muscle or taste buds – it will not function in any way as a tongue, despite what the boy thinks. And his tongue works perfectly now, even though he wants it removed, which will effectively destroy his power of speech”.

  8. Louise Haig avatar

    Most trans identifying males who get this surgery are autogynephiles. An autogynephile is a man who fetishises having female body parts and bodily functions. Quite often these men realise after they have had this operation that they have made a terrible mistake, as they no longer have a sex drive, therefore they no longer fetishise themself as having female body parts. At this point they will attempt detransition or they will double down, not being able to handle the notion that they have catastrophically mutilated themself for a fetish. It is also worth noting that most trans identifying males are either autogynephillic or have a transvestic fetish.

  9. As a woman born with this amazing part of my natural body (there was lots in that table that even I didn’t know!) I feel sad that vulnerable people are being “sold” the idea that having something that bears little resemblance to the real thing will somehow make them a “woman”. I’m astounded that the medical bodies seem to be just shrugging their shoulders and saying “not my job to decide”.

  10. Mrs Margaret Litchfield avatar
    Mrs Margaret Litchfield

    I knew this operation was bad but I didn’t realise how bad. Why has surgery such as this been allowed, especially by the NHS which is strapped for cash anyway. Why are all the Royal Colleges turning a blind eye. Why are surgeons even carrying these operations out. The people who want this sort of surgery need help and support and a full explanation of all the implications. It’s just horrifying

  11. That matter-of-fact NHS leaflet makes vaginoplasty sound as routine and “simple” as having one’s tonsils out. Truly horrifying. It is mind-boggling how surgeons can deceive men into believing that they can “create a vagina” which is, as Dr J’s table shows, an amazing part of the female anatomy. As a woman, I have a new-found awe of my body thanks to Dr J!

    Thank you, Nick, for taking an interest in this important subject.

  12. Charlotte Revely avatar
    Charlotte Revely

    Thanks for not sparing any detail – terms like ‘gender affirming care’ do not give any clue as to the reality of this. If you want to give yourself nightmares do a quick search on nullifcation or non-binary surgeries and have a look at some of the gender clinic websites. Nullo surgery leaves the patient with nothing but openings for pee and poo and a smooth doll like look. All internal sexual organs have to be removed too. This is state sanctioned self abuse and vulnerable people and esp young people are being seriously harmed both physically and psychologically. Other non-binary surgeries include adding a neo vagina (for men) whilst retaining the penis or retaining the vagina for women whilst doing a phalloplasty to create a fake penis. It is nothing short of monstrous.

    Right now the NHS are rolling out additional clinics to provide ‘gender affirming’ surgeries e.g. https://gendersurgery.chelwest.nhs.uk/ and some day soon the negligence cases will be rolling in. People like Ritchie Herron who regretted his surgery almost immediately and now campaigns to try and stop other young men suffering the way he has, but there are so many more. The compensation costs could break the NHS.

  13. Heather Kemp avatar
    Heather Kemp

    Hello Mr Wallis –
    Thank you for your fantastic reporting regarding the UK postal scandal ; I am sure that you will do justice to this topic as well. I wanted to expand upon one of the comments posted by Ms Welford regarding …”Dr J might consider writing to the medical journals about it, in the form of a letter or an opinion piece”… I am a medical Librarian (hospital) in the US, and it is practically impossible for physicians and other health professionals to post their (true) thoughts on the whole gender/trans issue without getting some form of extreme backlash. There are a few groups – SEGM (https://segm.org/) and Do No Harm (https://donoharmmedicine.org/) that exist, but many physicians will not make it known that they are not in favor of the trans/gender issue.

  14. Interesting points.

    In the UK Hannah Barnes’ excellent book bemoans the lack of adequate follow up work so that the research base for trans work is weak.

    Personally I’m very tempted to say that what a person does to their own body is up to them. The piece contains some yucky details, but how far it contributes to the debates, not sure. You could draw up yuk-inducing tables about childbirth. But would we want to ban it?

    It seems that people do get told about the risks, part of consent I suppose. Here is an NHS leaflet to prove it. There have been court cases on consent in the area.

    As far as Im aware in England you mostly have to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria and the physical operations are intended to ameliorate suffering. So that is the rationale. And powerful it is.

    But there are other conditions where surgery – if not a neovagina – might be a solution. The eunuch gender identity thingy from the WPATH standards comes to mind. Maybe Nick will cover that when he’s done men and women?

    However the NHS leaflet shows that in the UK there are some controls. That said there are probably many different reasons for wanting to do this to oneself. Not just gender dysphoria.

    The strongest feeling I had reading both the NHS stuff provided and material elsewhere in the blog was indeed a feeling that, as with the word ‘woman’, words relating to female anatomy are being used to describe things that are not the same. Vagina being an example, as is spelled out here. But not the only one. There is too much ignorance of female anatomy without misusing words like this.

    The protrans lobby is often portrayed as lefty /“woke” but my feeling is that a lot of the impetus will be drug and medical companies. Puberty blockers etc and hormones needed for life. Steady earner for drug firm.
    Excuse typos etc, using a phone.

  15. It is true that “The operation to remove the section of healthy bowel obviously comes with its own risks.”. In fact it adds considerably to the risks as it requires an extra operation and carries risks associated with bowel surgery. In the initial Dutch trials of “gender affirming care” which included surgery a healthy young man who had the bowel version of vaginoplasty died of complications due to infection (necrotising fasciitis). That was one death out of 70 – a mortality rate of greater than 1%. This would normally have been enough to stop further such surgeries as too high risk, but not for “gender affirming care” which is constantly treated as an exception to normal practice.

  16. A not wholly intellectual argument, but is this not the type of ‘experimental’ medicine and surgery that would have happened under, for example, the Nazi regime, purely to find out what the result of medical interventions might be by using human guinea pigs? In this case they are, of course, ‘consenting’ guinea pigs, or so they are led to believe. Cynical me?

  17. In Abigail Shrier’s 2021 interview with WPATH surgeon Dr Marci Bowers, Bowers said using material from the colon ran the risk of the neovagina developing colon cancer and that ‘if used sexually’ could lead to chronic colitis. Bowers also went on to furiously deny having said these things, not entirely plausibly. Do you know if there is evidence to support this from other medical sources?

  18. It’s the new Self Harm

    Here’s a ‘Menu and Price List’ for anyone who is curious….

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/cost_of_private_surgeries_commis_2#incoming-2535172

    The cost to the Taxpayer is truly shocking.

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